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Topic: Easy access...., ... good or bad?
Leilah
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Posted: Dec. 30 2002,6:56 pm

Not to rain on your parade Darky, but Amazon SCREWS WRITERS and independent presses by requesting DEEPER discounts than any other retailer. Not only that, but read this Author's Guild Bulliten

Many authors and publishers are boycotting Amazon until they treat us fairly and stop ripping us off!

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Posted: Dec. 31 2002,3:35 am

Okay,

    I was about to agree with Darky, about Westgate and Amazon, but as for the subject of Amazon; as stated by Leilah above...ouch! That is certainly uncouth.  :doh:

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Lucian
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Posted: Jan. 02 2003,9:26 pm

Interesting Topic. Interesting Opinions. Here's mine...

I like the thrill of finding old books as much as I like finding information on the internet. Books are similar to webpages in that books can also give you dis-information. Is a book any more true just because it's written in ink? Ask an Indian about history or a witch or a gypsy. Both mediums are based on the biased perceptions of individuals that by their very nature, will find people who agree and disagree with whatever they wrote. I'm not particularly computer savy and that sometimes makes the search that much more interesting. All the bookstores and libraries where I live don't have the kind of 'material' that I consider worth looking at. But then again, I like learning from more than just books. They were trees first after all! If a seeker truly yearns for knowledge then all one needs to do is open the eyes and ears; look and listen.
The internet may not be permanent but neither are books. A misplaced match can destroy entire libraries. The only records which are permanent are'nt made of a physical substance. Why not search for them? Peruse those records for a while. Exhaust your senses in that place and then tell me how tired you are of the internet. :banghead:

Sometimes I miss the old days...before there were computers...before there were books...before there were days. :eyemouth:

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dnekm
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Posted: Jan. 03 2003,3:04 am

Personally, I miss the old days....

Tracking down one obscure reference from one book to another to finally lead to something you had sought after for a long time. Even if the source, ultimately, was disappointing - you still had the feeling of some kind of accomplishment in sticking with it and finally tracking it down.

I still remember books I had sought years for - only to have sold them all off later...  :laugh:

When it comes to bookstores and libraries - it does not matter what they have in stock, so to speak - you can either special order things or borrow from remote libraries (anyone remember that? - to transcribe an Akkadian/Sumerian dictionary I had to be put on a waiting list for over a month to get the book from the library in Albany, NY - once I had it I took a week off from work to transcribe this, and cross reference it into English. Now it sits in a notebook in my dresser drawer....)

My whole point was that with instant - so-called - gratification via a simple search, discrimination is lost. As far as knowledge is concerned. With the widely available dis-information that is the web available it is quite easy for the "seeker" to knock on an illusionary door. Whereas before you had to at least do some homework the hard way, sifting through things for yourself.

And yes - before they were books, they were trees, and sometimes more can be learned from trees than any book.  :smoke:

Maybe it's just the fact that before you had to actually give something - whether it was money, time, whatever - in order to find something that makes the difference. A part of you went into the search - whereas typing a query into a search engine is not exactly "giving something" of yourself.

For an example in discrimination - anyone remember A.E. Waite?  :laugh: As an editor he was passable, but as an author he was  :laugh:

Oh well....  :hippy:

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TalN
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Posted: Jan. 03 2003,9:28 am

The real advantage of books over computers?
Falling asleep with a book on your face leaves less of an imprint than face down on a keyboard.  :laugh:   Yes we are talking first hand experience!  And you get less kinks in your body too.


I was reminded while reviewing this topic that there are two books I own that I almost never open, but when moving I found I still feel lost without them in reach.  My first two cook books!  Both have singed bindings from where they survived a fire in our house in England.  One is in pieces and was published in the '40s with great sections on even things like how to stock a pantry.  The other is a collection of recipes from all over europe and russia.  They are old recipes that call for measures in drams, ounces, barrels and casks.  Some of the ingredients would make most American stomachs turn, but they are facinating.

I doubt I could find these online, but even so they wouldn't hold the memory of my nanny dumping the flour canister over them on her way out of the blazing kitchen with my little brother in tow.

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THE DARK ANGEL
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Posted: Jan. 04 2003,8:20 pm

WHOA!!!!  I didn't know that about amazon Leilah.  All I ever saw was the conveniece @ my fingertips.  Now what you're saying really bites...BIGtime!!!!   :pissedoff:  

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 darky  :darkangel:

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TalN
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Posted: Jan. 06 2003,9:11 am

Another advantage of hard copy books is if you are trying to develop any talent for psychometry, a monitor screen is of no help at all! :laugh:

Its not a strong talent for me, but once in a while I pick up faint sensations from a book because someone else has left their psychic imprint behind.  And its much easier for me with books than other inanimate objects.

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lyliaun
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Posted: Jan. 07 2003,11:09 pm

I'ts all in the way you use something... a thirteen year old boy could use an anatomy book to learn how to draw people or for something else... any way the man who created TV didnt mean for it to be corrupt it's just how people are and that is what makes it for what it is even some books as mentioned ¬†before are unfortunately screwed up. The quality of religion and people's passion for spiritualism is very watered down and by the way it is very hard to find any thing good in Uduh( Im sorry that I mention this state so much it's just annoying being here). So can appreciate the internet once and a while, besides ordering books from out of state, it's not as hard as it was five years ago. Having futile access to me has turned into a sick joke, hard access is ok gotta keep things sacred and away from the unfortunate judgmental populous. :shake: Yes ultimately  people take things for granted more than they did years ago because of easy access.

Edited by lyliaun on Jan. 07 2003,11:16 pm

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Sio
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Posted: Jan. 15 2003,9:36 am

Quote (dnekm @ Dec. 22 2002,4:13 am)
Okay, let's see what this turns into.

Leilah and I had an interesting conversation tonight. Along the lines of whether it is better to have the ego bubble burst when you are younger or when you are older.

Hear me out on this one.  :hippy:

When we were first getting into things... metaphysical... we were both young. we had no internet and had to look for knowledge the hard way, tracking down obscure books and references via libraries or used books, or rare book dealers.... Basically - information was not easy to come by like it is today.

Is this good or bad? Does the elusiveness of certain information make it more - worthwhile? impressive? does it create more of an impact if you find it in some old book after searching for years for it or if you can look it up in a moment online?

Does someone searching for the necronomishit today go back all the way to HP Lovecraft and realize it is fiction or do they take the word of numerous websites that claim it is real? Do they ever see the humour in the numerous pastiches that have been published?

The internet is a worthwhile tool for information, and disinformation. Does someone brought up in todays world know enough to recognize the difference?

Back in the stone age (when we grew up) - information was more difficult to come by and one tended to live a portion of their lives in a certain isolation from the rest of the world - enabling you to form your own beliefs and experiences and also to lock out the rest of the world in lieu of interacting with the subtle world of energies and impressions. Getting to know and be exposed to that which is beyond the physical, and more importantly - that which is beyond the pixel...

Any thoughts?  :worm:

My view on this is pretty simple...

The internet is NOT the way.
It's a neat little thing to play around with, and make sites on to express opinions, and share with others in forums such as this & whatnot, but as far as being the best method to gain knowledge...not a chance. It's just one more technological gadget that allows us to sit on our asses, and make us stupid. Kids who are raised on computers are going to turn out to be very different adults than those who had to go out and search for what they wanted...and I personally don't think they're going to be as independent, and confident in themselves.
I mean, why learn to spell, or use proper grammar when the computer corrects your mistakes? Right? What once was a handly little thing to rectify small errors has become a way of life for a LOT of people.

Anyone can type a word into a search engine, but ask a handful of average high schoolers what the Dewy Decimal System is, and at *least the majority won't have a clue. Not that the library uses that anymore anyway, hell THEY use search engines, but you get the idea.

REAL hunting & research sharpens multiple skills, and is more fulfilling. I remember being a sophomore in high school when they told us that one day, *whole books would be able to fit on a CD...and I was horrified; but they dragged us kicking & screaming into the technological age, as it's virtually impossible to get a good job 'round here without computer knowledge. NO ONE will hire you for more than $6.50 an hour if you can't type 60+ wpm.
So here I am... in a sterile office...for eight hours a day...staring at a damn computer screen. The corporate world's vision of success (a rant in and of itself).

Give me a musty Library or bookstore basement any day.

Edited by Sio on Jan. 15 2003,9:50 am

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Leilah
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Posted: Jan. 15 2003,6:05 pm

Here! Here!  :beer:  Sio!

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