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Topic: Taboos, Taboos and how to overcome them
Kit
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Posted: Oct. 24 2011,10:26 am

I guess this is somewhat related to the dark vs. light topic, but I wanted it to be broader then that.

Taboos, for the most part, cause nothing but harm. I would more than welcome anyone who wants to contest this point, but I am going to keep it as that for now to prevent me from writing a few page essay pounding the point home. I find that my spiritual exploration is stunted in part due to taboos. In this day and age freedom of speech and religion seem to be nothing but myths. I guess there are two sides to that coin, but I see way more bad coming from that than good. This is very pertinent to my troubles.

For example, it is taboo to believe something that is not part of one of the major religions. People think your off you rocker. Now I am usually not very concerned about such things, but to be open about being a part of an alternative religion is to be discriminated against. I have no proof of this, except my own feelings and deductions. To cut to the point I guess is that I fear for employment and educational opportunities. I used to fear alienation from my family, and to some extent I still do, they 'tolerate' my religious explorations.. but I get the feeling they'd be worried if they really understood how far a field I have explored, or how much further I would go if I didn't have these fears.

So basically, until I have gotten a solid start on my career and moved out of my parents house (again, had lived free for a few years), I will have to content with keeping my explorations semi-secret. I guess I should clarify, I don't go around shoving my alternative views down peoples thoughts, I just want to be able to purchase and read books of whatever nature I so choose without loosing out on networking and other seemingly trivial (but very important) things. I feel that to be open is to have it weighted against me(likely subconsciously).

Heck even those of alternative beliefs seem judgmental about that which I seek to explore. For example I was talking to some otherkin, in a chat that I had once been a frequent visitor of when I became curious about such things, about coming back on here and they were judgmental about this place. They weren't rude, but they seemed taken aback and somewhat flabbergasted that I would take any interested in something so 'dark' and 'morbid'. I guess I do have a thing for the macabre, but this place transcends that aesthetic appeal. I come here not because the macabre, but because I feel drawn.

I guess this is a bit of a rant, and that perhaps I am a bit of a coward in this way. I don't conform, but I limit my expression.

Does anyone have any recommendations on how to overcome such intolerance?

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Kit
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Posted: Oct. 24 2011,10:38 am

Perhaps their disquiet stems from a fact related to this quote, which I think sums things up.

"Perhaps the whole root of our trouble, the human trouble, is that we will sacrifice all the beauty of our lives, will imprison ourselves in totems, taboos, crosses, blood sacrifices, steeples, mosques, races, armies, flags, nations, in order to deny the fact of death, which is the only fact we have."
-James Baldwin

Most everything from racism to most religions, can be traced back to a fear of death. This is self evident in most religions, and I will explain how it is the cause of racism if anyone wishes to know (would take a bit, but to those I have explained it to before found my reasoning sound).

It seems that the fact that I accept death, wither it be life eternal in another plane, reincarnation, or the end of my existence.. that this fact disturbs people who only fear death. That is not to say that I don't prefer to go on living, but I do not shy away from the inevitability (nor do I regret the inevitability). Most people fear death, though I guess everyone here most of all would be aware of this.

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Leilah
Lady Death


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Posted: Oct. 25 2011,8:04 am

ALLL taboos stem from fear and ignorance. If someone doesn't understand something, he or she therefore puts it in a little pidgeon-hole and say's "off limits" simply because they CHOOSE not to understand something should NOT make it a 'taboo" for those who wish to embrace it. It's the same old argument of fear vs acceptance. FORGET what others believe and forget what others think YOU should believe and just live your life in the manner in which YOU choose and all else be damned. If they don't accept you for who you are, they are not worth having in your life. Love and friendship SHOULD BE unconditional, and if they can't accept that, they neither love you nor are they true friends.

Sheep are easily led to the slaughter. Are you?

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Morgan
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Posted: Oct. 25 2011,9:29 am

I just do what I want.  Accept it, or go to a place where the sun don't shine.  As for family. . .I disowned them ALL.  Genetic ties don't mean shoite to me.  (I considered them a liability, not to mention I absolutely can't STAND some of them.)

It is soooooooo nice to have people postin' again.  Hopefully this board becomes as active as it was at its height.  YES, I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT EVERYONE HAS TO SAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(I'm an old timer, and I prob'ly read every post on this forum.  Some of them, more than once, like some of those in the poetry section and Dark Humour.)

Edited by Morgan on Oct. 25 2011,12:22 pm

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Kit
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Posted: Oct. 25 2011,10:58 am

I agree with what you say for the most part. I guess I wasn't the most coherent when I wrote that.

I was hoping you had some experience on enlightening people, but if that isn't the case oh well.

I am wary of creating emotional turmoil at this time. Everyone's relationship in my immediate family is strained somewhat, due (mainly) to outside factors. My family accepted outright my religious exploration, but I don't want to split the family over what is and isn't an acceptable use of a college students money. They view anything occult as new age, and they view new age as a bunch of people trying to scam the gullible. So basically I am worried about people taking sides and this causing a temporary (and very stressful) schism in the family. This risk seems paltry when I consider that I am a few paltry months away from my degree, and am already affiliated with an employer. It would still be nice to be able to be more open about where my explorations are taking me if I had some sound advice. Otherwise my purchase of materials will need to be through a proxy (well really the deliveries will need to be a proxy, my funds are my own), of which I have a few options; and the travel I cannot afford anyway.

I shall endeavor to ensure more clarity, and conclusiveness in my future arguments. I have been trying to cut down on the prolific nature of my communication style, but it seems doing so (unless strictly necessary) should be avoided to avoid imprecision.

There is at least one taboo that stems not from fear/ignorance that I can think of (pedophilia), but besides that I would agree. I guess I should expect you all to understand this; it seems I am too accustomed to talking to sheep.

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Kit
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Posted: Oct. 25 2011,11:02 am

As for your view on unconditional love. I agree completely. I forgot to mention that. I do occasionally have a somewhat irrational fear that I will become alienated; it is irrational because every time I thought I'd finally done it they turned out to be accepting and supportive. Perhaps some of that feeling leaked into my message.

Also, I am happy to be back and hope that this board becomes more active again. :smoke:

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Leilah
Lady Death


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Posted: Oct. 26 2011,5:44 pm

Kit, it seems that you are more concerned with appeasing others rather than simply being yourself. I can understand, when you are young and you are uncertain as to HOW to fit in regarding various circumstances.

NOW is the best time in your life to set a precedant and step forward and step into your true shoes...even if they don't fit so well yet...you will grow into them.

If you allow your fear of social acceptance to rule your life, the seeds are sown early for you to never achieve your purpose in life. NOW is the time to step up into the spotlight. If you step in mud, so be it...better now than when it matters most.

Practice makes perfect. You are in the stages of dress rehearsal for LIFE. Will you wear the costume of YOUR choosing? Or will you wear the garb that others foist upon you?

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blackanimism
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Posted: Dec. 28 2011,11:28 am

Ah yes, this is good discussion.  I can tell you that it depends on the person.  The idea of a taboo isn't too good, its reductionistic.  If we are talking about necromancy or the occult in general, then do what resonates with you and forget any ignorant comments.  I never thinking of anything in terms of taboo or proper, just in terms of what will work for me and what will not and through direct experience.  

In many circles (most talking about the musicians I know) I get a little flack for not being an atheist or because I don't do drugs anymore. Even within the deviant underworld there are such arguments as you said Kit.  The difference is that I just don't care anymore.  When I was a teenager I went the other way, I wanted to break all the rules in order to rebel against everything.  I have to tell you that an approach like that is just as stupid as blindly following the masses.  That's because I was just switching who I followed, one or the other, don't do that. Neither of these approaches work, they both perpetuate a loss of self. I'm just trying to point out that this can go the other way.

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