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Topic: How Open and Honest are we willing to be?, Ask members very personal questions...
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Muad'Dib


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Posted: Oct. 02 2002,5:30 am

:laugh:  :laugh: LOL :laugh:  :laugh:

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Mofoquer
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Posted: Oct. 02 2002,7:04 am

Quote (Dellamorte @ Oct. 02 2002,5:43 am)
Hmmmm... very interesting thus far, but too superficial. Dellamorte wishes to hear the *good* stuff-- as to what that actually is, I do not know. Hmmmm...

Man!, you are killing me! :laugh:

As the 'body part', I'm with Dan  :hippy:

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NOLAs Raven
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Posted: Oct. 02 2002,10:20 am

I have been thinking about something long and hard and I would like to include this question with my previous question. When a person passes, I know it is only a mere shell of a body, and the soul has long gone...but...it seems like to me fondling and being intimate with a corpse is a kind of rape.  How do you know you have permission from that person to use their shell?  Could someone help me understand?   :rose:

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Leilah
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Posted: Oct. 02 2002,11:23 am

:gmorning: Geez, it's too early in the day for all this. Okay.... one thing at a time.

First of all, someone badger Darky to answer the question directed at her.

Secondly, No NOLA, nothing is out of bounds here, so don't worry. I use to work in the morgue..and on exhumation details, barring that, I find them in cemeteries :wink:

Third, there is a wealth of my personal opinion regarding necrophilia on this site. On the "Decantations" page on the "Archived Articles" page (right on top of that page is an article called "Necrophilia in the Necromantic Rite",) on the "Sexual Rituals of Darkness" thread on this very board, etal... so I urge folks to READ OUR SITE and THEN ask questions. I know it's a pretty big site, but, hey, it's here for all of you!

To cliff note reiterate what it says there (as well as in the book you have Nola), THERE IS NO INTERCOURSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In fact, here's the whole damn article:
Necrophilia in the Necromantic Rite

It is very easy to get "caught up" in the ecstasy of Death, especially during high necromantic practice when the spirit of one's affection is manifest through a physical catalyst, such as a corpse. One must never violate the sanctity of Death for one's own physical curiosity or pleasure. You must never force your affections onto an unwilling or unresponsive catalyst. Doing such is no better than raping an innocent child. In necromantic practice, the corpse must always be viewed as the pure vessel that contains a divine spirit. The crypt is a sacred temple, and the catalyst, a sacred chalice that must never be defiled by empty, physical urges. The only passions that should manifest in the physical are those born in the spirit. In other words, all sensual stirrings must have firm roots in the soul. One must love the entity one is seeking to contact, and not simply make "love" to the empty catalyst. If there is contact on the spiritual level, the catalyst will either make the first move, or respond in some way to your advances, and you need only follow its lead.

To violate a corpse for simply the satiating of one's own sexual needs is the highest form of irreverence one can show towards Death, and he or she who engages in such profanity will feel the full wrath of Azrael's fury. One can "make love" to Death on many levels, providing they emerge from the core of the soul, and not the seat of the libido. Death is a gentle and exquisite lover who can take you to new heights of expression, providing that you do not try to pull Him down into the physical too much, in which case Death's affections are anything but gentle! Being a magician, especially in the necromantic arts, does not give one license to "do what thou wilt". In dealings with such entities as the Angel of Death, one must adopt a new law, a law of reverence and purity of spirit. Divine love is the "law", and nothing less be the purpose of thy will.


I hope that helps answer that question for the 800th time :laugh:  :laugh: I'm not mad at the question, just infinitely tired of telling people to read the site, it's all there!

As to your last question NOLA; That person, as you so eloquently put it, IS no longer there. We just borrow this flesh for the duration, then it returns back to the earth from which it came. It "belongs" to no one except Death, Himself.

RavinX! Kudos to you for having a real big set  :headbang: I admire that! Although Dan beat me to the punch. Do you KNOW how many times people have beat around the bushes with that question? :shake:

In fact, I'll volunteer y'all something even deeper.......I'm probably the oldest living virgin on this board :worm: I can't believe I actually said that :eyemouth:  but, there ya have it!

I am certain this will lead to even meatier questions, so...bring em on.... :headbang:

(Sorry if there are typos here, I'm on my neighbor's computer and the keyboard SUCKS!!!) :banghead:  :rose:  :rose:  :rose:

Edited by Leilah on Oct. 02 2002,12:24 pm

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TalN
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Posted: Oct. 02 2002,4:08 pm

:laugh:   I am still stumped for a question to ask.  

I guess having met in person and having developed a minimum of understanding about our hosts, I had already figured out the "big questions" asked so far.   I am usually grinning when I see someone hinting, anticipating how long the issue will be danced around before someone gives in an stops hinting or gives the answers.

Eventually I will think of SOMETHING to ask.......now what would actually get Daniel to blush?  That's even more fun than getting Leilah to laugh.

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daoine o
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Posted: Oct. 02 2002,7:37 pm

Oh, geez TalN, now you're really tempting me!  First you talk of bringing your whips to thrash Dan, and now you want to make him blush?  I gotta get to the Westgate this year!  :laugh:  I'd love to see your 'toys'; I can always appreciate fine implements of pain/pleasure!  :chase:

This topic certainly *is* getting meaty!  So, c'mon Darky, fess up!  :angel:

I do have to amend my earlier post, I put 'necrophile', when in all actuality I guess I really am simply necromantic as I've never had intimate contact with corpse, I'm just a lover of death.  Never had the opportunity.  

As an aside, though, now I'm working in a hospital, and on one of my first days there, the person I was training with and I were walking through the halls and she said 'You know, you seem like the sort of person who would want to know this...I've worked here for quite awhile, but I've never found the morgue; want to go look for it?' :shocked:  I said, "Sure, why not?  Years ago, when I worked in another hospital, it was near the kitchen/cafeteria(!), so let's look there", and sure enough, we found it!  So now I make it a point to wander by there, just to see what I might see... :death2:

So, c'mon, everyone, bring on dem questions!  

:star:  :asthanos:  :star:  enquiring minds want to know!

(Daniel, you're so cooool, when I first saw the 'star' I wanted to use it, and now I can!)  :star:

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Leilah
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Posted: Oct. 02 2002,8:19 pm

Hi Daoine o! :clap2: I just emailed Darky. I hope she comes on board tonight. Yes, this is a fun topic. Everyone can just be point-blank and cut out all the  :cat: footing.

Okay, Daoine o, may I ask what your attraction to the satanic path is? I mean, what is it, deep down that draws you to follow that route?

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daoine o
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Posted: Oct. 02 2002,9:55 pm

I'll jump right in and answer your question, Leilah...it's not the first time I've been asked...unfortunately, I don't have a succinct answer!  (Do I ever?)

Ever since I was a child, I doubted the validity of God, a god, the god, whatever.  I never understood people who would blindly give their lives over to something/one on faith alone.  I never felt the presence/existence of this 'amazing' being myself, never saw any proof of it.  I decided it didn't exist, at least for me.  That maybe there is a supreme power, but it doesn't need/want/ask for our worship, it just *is*.  (In a way, that leads down the path of 'Well, that must be so, because otherwise, how could a loving, benevolent God let these horrible things happen in the world?"  Oh, yeah, I forgot, that's the *devil's* doing...  :::rolling eyes:::)  No, it's because whatever it is that created us really doesn't give a sh*t about us anymore, if it ever did.

As a teenager, I felt myself as somewhat of an existentialist/agnostic, but that still didn't feel 'right' to me.  I wanted to identify with something.  I examined wicca/paganism, but found most of it to be little more than substituting one deity for another, (let's compare Catholicism and Wicca, shall we?  The Threefold Law, the Holy Trinity, Maiden, Mother, Crone, rituals, wine and wafers, incense, cakes and mead, et al) and it was all too 'fluffybunny' for me.  Also in that I have a very nasty, dark, vengeful, angry side (that's how I am, generally) and there's no room for that in the teachings/dogma/'karma' of 'white-lighters'.  I have no white light.  I don't believe in karma.

I've always questioned and rebelled, not gone along with the status quo, never wanted to follow rules until they'd been explained to my liking.  Again, that doesn't go along with the 'blind faith', 'trusting in him', and that bit about believing there's something more here to life than there is if you'll just follow that good, pure, pious, holy path, *whatever*.  Denying oneself pleasure and enjoyment to go to a (possibly?) blessed afterlife?  Uh-uh.  No thanks, I'll take my chances with the here-and-now, 'k?

I'm selfish and arrogant, and I don't see anything wrong with that.  (The Seven Deadly Sins?  How can pride be a sin?  Greed?  Lust?  We're sexual beings, not spiritual.)  I don't apologize for anything.  I feel I'm more intelligent than most people, self-aware, not just 'going through the motions' of living, (the 'sheepled masses') and I've become very cynical  and critical because of it.  I really don't like being around people, I find them generally contemptible, unworthy of my time.  They're in my way, bothering me, nattering at me, annoying me.

I hate people scapegoating and not taking responsibility for their own actions, wanting others to bail them out of their stupidity, blaming anything and everything but themselves.  It happens all the time, and people get away with it.  (Oh!  The coffee's *hot*!  Imagine that!  I burned myself!  I'm gonna sue!)  It's disgusting.  We have to foam-pad/bubblewrap the world to protect people from themselves!  Ludicrous!  Social Darwinism should be allowed to happen.  The weak should be allowed to do themselves in.  It's survival of the fittest!  (Lex Talionis, if you will.)

Then I read a book.  (I'm sure we all know which one that is, right?)  'The Satanic Bible'.  Suddenly I felt I'd found something with which I could identify.  That there was someone else that felt like I did, that there was a name for how I'd felt all those years.  It was quite a revelation.  

I'm not a mindless 'groupie' sycophant, I don't follow everything LaVey said and take it as 'gospel', I don't perform the pompous rituals, but the concept of 'humanism' taken to LaVey's degree agrees with me.  It feels right.  I've read his essays, and his brand of misanthropy agrees with me.  It feels good to be able to say 'I'm a satanist', and not have to make a bunch of amendments, or 'well, kind of, but...' or anything.  

I could just be a nihilist, but I prefer identifying with something, and that something is Satan.  I guess I'm more a 'philosophical satanist', as I don't 'worship' Satan, I don't 'worship' anything but myself!

Ok, deep breath.

I've probably left out a few points, and overstated others, but hey, that's what more questions are for!  

So, where does everyone else stand?  :biggrin:

:asthanos:  <---  next!

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Muad'Dib


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Posted: Oct. 03 2002,12:18 am

O.K.

    Thank you so very much for that post, Leilah. :eyemouth:

    I have read that article, as well as the whole site, very thouroughly. I was just wondering about others' extent of involvement. Spectacular!

    And Darky... where'd ya go???

Edited by Burzum Mortualium on Oct. 03 2002,12:19 am

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Posted: Oct. 03 2002,7:46 am

Hello, again.

    Okay, curiosity kills my kitty...

    Leilah and/or Daniel, how do you feel about children, or rather, how do you feel for them (besides what you have stated about birth and such)? :cat:

Edited by Burzum Mortualium on Oct. 03 2002,7:49 am

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