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Topic: Mankind needs to kill God, .... to evolve....
dnekm
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Posted: Sep. 17 2006,1:18 am

I think it is long past due for mankind, as a whole, to throw off the yoke of religion as something that is both socially and politically controlling and realize that religion - as the direct relationship between an individual and the godsoul - is just that.... Something personal....

Not something that can be shared or enforced or dictated..... We all have our own ways of touching the divine... They are personal to all of us.... It may be that some of those ways overlap..... But that does not make an institution out of anything....

All of the crap in this world, all of the bullshit hindering mankind from evolving into something different, something that acknowledges that we all share the same fucking planet, something that may one day approach the poiunt of view that we are all in this together.... this is all hampered by religion....

We are seeing in this present day a build up of tensions between xtians, jews and muslims.... to the point where the world will again suffer, as a whole....

All three of these are infantile religions that killed off or replaced religions that came before them.... We have been ruled by infants for too long..... There has to come an end to all of this...

I think it is obvious by now that over the course of several thousand years none of these people will ever get along with each other.... For why? Because they secretly believe that each other will burn in hell... Stupid, stupid, stupid....

So God, and the idea of "God" - insofar as it applies to the top three monotheistic cultures of this world, must die.....

I pose a question, after my mini-rant.....

How may this be done?  rip

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Posted: Sep. 17 2006,2:16 am

It can't.  :doh: Religion’s too easy, it's feed me satisfaction. Global awakening can't be done, you can't make people think. Could you imagine what it would be like if every man and woman on the planet was a philosopher? It would be disastrous! Brave New World by Aldous Huxley touched on this and makes a point on what your saying perfectly (And as always is with Huxley makes a huge mistake cuz of his own spiritual inadequacy) If we killed god, we'd need something to take it's place. And further more, the only way, the ONLY way you could ever form such a revolution is... well just that/ a massive revolution, effectively a jihad. (ala Dune) For all of our bitching about social brain washing, and corruption, it's in the end, the only way things get done. Real change, real progress, seldom happens, in truth, the only progress I can think of that’s been made in the past 1000 years or so is the abolishment of slavery... and even that's not absolute.  People need easy reason, and soul searching’s as much a full time job as any; religion provides a quick, crappy way to what people are looking for. I could go on and on but it’s late an there’s a lot already written that covers this topic. So I flee! (Rolls D20 and fails. “Damn IT!” Rolls again “yes”  *Flees*)

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Posted: Sep. 17 2006,4:25 pm

Dan:

A-MEN, MY BROTHER! I BELIEVE!  :laugh:

no, seriously...i couldn't agree more. so , i gather the question, in essence, is how to kill authoritarian, dogmatic religion? by not going along with it. has to be done on an individual basis, i think....& by communicating with others about the reasons for your refusal of organized religion...IF they want to hear about it. i might add more to this discussion later.

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dnekm
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Posted: Sep. 18 2006,12:02 am

It can't? ...  :eyemouth:

I disagree....

It can be done, and it starts with one person at a time....

I do not seek to turn everyone into a philosopher... I simply ask why cannot the idea of a state religion or a state anything be done with... And to abolish the idea of a monotheistic god (there is no god but I, thou shalt have no other gods before me.... - kind of gives the idea of an inferirity comples right from the start, does it not?)

I simply wish everyone to be aware that they are born with their own, innate link to what can be called "divinity" - it is within each of us and there is no reason for anyone to think less of anyone else because of their inner belief....

However - organized religion is just a blatant attempt at control....

Whether it is xtians on their knees or muslims with their assess offered up to their god - it is the same bullshit, over and over.... Someone, some thousands of years ago figured out a way to mindfuck people and it has been working ever since.... The whole idea of submission has got to go....

Why? Yes, because people are lazy and like to feel comfortable..... So someone who is religious, in that sense, is no better than a druggie, opting for the quick fix....

But - if you kill god, and the idea of god - you give birth to gods, and the idea of gods.... And bring the idea of diversity back into the universe...... Everything is holy, and we are all here together...

I KNOW this is overly optimistic - but think about this.... If everyone thought that everything was holy, instead of thinking they were a sinner or some other shit.... maybe everyone would care just a bit more?

Then, everything that is nasty would get shunted just to purely politics, and then maybe people would be able to govern themselves..... Or at the very least, everyone would know who to kill to change things....

Instead, what we have these days is a handful of idiots on all sides, using religion to stoke the flames among a greater handful of idiots on all sides, into a game, a gigantic pissing contest because these people happen, or seem to, have power while the rest of the world deals with the fallout....

None of the people in so called seats of power these days care about anything but themselves and their own little agendas.... And yet no one will do anything about it, except go to fucking church and pray...  :banghead:

Jihad never, ever fucking works.... The Crusades proved that. No one, ever, can overlay a religion by force..... Except the muslims will never forget the crusades, so in a sense this was brought about by the west.....

But then again, so was so much else....

And then, xtianity also conveniently forgets that it was overlaid by force on the western world.....

And then, the middle east forgets that before the jews and the muslims - there existed a race (and races) of people that these wandering tribes raped, pillaged and supplanted....

We are not the height of civilization.... Not the apex of the pyramid of evolution..... We are a sorry joke full of ads for viagra, weight loss, hair colouring..... We are vain and soulless..... And getting dumber by the second......  :shake:

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Posted: Sep. 18 2006,12:37 am

:laugh: I couldn't agree more to your last point.  :laugh:
...I don't know... maybe it can happen... in time. Mankind, as a whole, is still stuck in the dark ages. Sure, we have technology, our great sciences… but everything else, is the same. I agree, it starts with one person at a time... but were does it go from there. One silent voice in the face of billions, with speech and dogma it's self against the rules; what chance does it have? The hippie movement, at least when it started, was largely about this, but even that died before it was over. Mankind has a LONG way to go. Don't get me wrong, I've spent more time thing about this exact form of utopia than is healthy, and I've come to the conclusion that it is impossible; not, perhaps, in some future time, but in this day an age, there's no chance. For now, I'd settle for a little progress, a small step out of this perpetual dark age of human understanding. Every soul that finds the truth is a new star, but in the middle of a billion black holes, how can it be seen?

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dnekm
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Posted: Sep. 18 2006,1:02 am

Well, see... Here is where I have just a bit of experience....

Leilah has made it her life's work to attempt to get people over their fear of death, and to also get to know Death in particular.....

Over the past 16 to 17 years, I have also become a part of this.... And I can honestly say on my part from what I have seen first hand that we have had a effect on a great deal of individuals.....

Now.... honestly, after all has been said and done so far... I cannot judge reliable how many have carried away a vital seed and how many have carried away a thought and how many have dismissed us.... Because, when you deal with individuals, there are no clear guidelines....

Some, who have sought out our gallery in the past have been disappointed because we were real people, some have been touched by the atmosphere we created (which is what we intended - not touched by us, as individuals, but by the presence of the place), some have been touched by us as individuals.... and some have just been touched in a way that shall remain nameless...

And then, some have been touched by the words we have written and then been disappointed by the flesh that we wear.... And some, have been touched by the words we have written and have never forgotten.....

It is all a crap shoot...

We touch who we touch because we are able to get through on whatever level we get through.... All of this means that we will try whatever it takes to reach out, and to continue to do so..

When all you can do is plant seeds you can but hope that the sprouts, if there are any, will continue to plant other seeds....

On an immediate, physical level this is called pissing in the wind.....

But you do this thing because it is the only thing you know to do.... I do not seek utopia.... I seek intelligent continuance of the race....

Okay, that may actually be the definition of utopia.... But I still press on.....

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Ayerz
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Posted: Sep. 18 2006,1:16 am

:biggrin:  What you and Leilah have done, is exactly what can be done, what should be done. Helping were you can how you can for no better reason than it's what you want to do. What's that Emily Dickinson poem...http://www.bartleby.com/113/1006.html

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Posted: Sep. 18 2006,8:35 am

Well, as far as killing off dogmatic religion, we've got a couple of ace celebrities - Osama bin Laden and Benedict XVI - working on it.  If celebs can't pull it off in this sociopolitical climate, who can?

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dnekm
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Posted: Sep. 19 2006,1:27 am

No... See, Osama and the pope and dubya just perpetuate the stereotypes.... They reinforce the hard line distinctions while doing nothing towards blurring the similarities together, because to their own ends it serves no purpose...

The ultimate problem with monotheistic religions is that they see only one outcome - themselves victorious over others....

It is a  testosterone thing....  It is sad, really....

mankind has to accept the fact that there is no god, except the ones that we make... and these are many....

There is no father, there is no mother, there is no chicken, there is no egg.....

All that there is, just is.... There is infinity, and there is nothingness, and there is that which both of these are....

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Posted: Sep. 19 2006,2:41 pm

Hmm..how to kill religion? Slowly...with a butterknife..No, really. Education, teachings, ridicule of extreme varieties, logic and coldness..Stir and serve.

Actually, ppl that have attended college tends to turn into atheists in quite large numbers, unless they are becoming priests or join cults that is :P

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