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Topic: The origins of the human race...., Your beliefs on this
Kkaospixie
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Posted: June 19 2005,11:34 am

Quote (dnekm @ June 19 2005,2:38 am)
As far as consciousness of our selves goes - it is/becomes recursive - we are, in a sense, chasing our own tails.

Yes, it does feel like that. Well said.

Also I grabbed onto something out of the first couple of words when you made reference to it not being so egocentric after all..
Funny you should hit on that first thing because when I posted that..it didn't feel egocentric, it just sounded that way. And that got my mind going a bit.
We are taught consistently throughout our lives that we need to break ourselves of this "egocentric" nature but I do think that often times it is mis-interpreted as such. Choosing to do anything for yourself suddenly puts you in this alternate category in our society to make you different, unusual..egocentric. If you aren't working as a group, then you are doing nothing..in the eyes of our society, in our government.
Once you join a church, or any religion, it is almost immediately expected of you to work as a group toward uniting the church, the group.. not the "self" which HAS to be repaired before even attempting to unite with another living thing.
I have often wondered if this was a phenomenon that is self aware in and of itself. It does SEEM that there are 2 forces that work against each other, the one that tries to repair and the one that tries to break the self down. Not as in a good force and an evil force, but as polar opposites that feel that they have to work against each other to get anywhere at all.
If it was any kind of a "big bang" there would have to be a residual conflict still.
To me it would make sense for one to at first appear to be its' opposite, one is everything that the other is not..
This even holds true for love if you are lucky enough to find it. One usually has everything the other does not so that the possibility for growth will always exist, making it nurturing and healthy and decently combative.  :laugh:
I don't think I even need to make a reference to magnetic properties, as I'm sure you know..
Most of our brain is quite electrical so I'm sure we use the same physics, yes?

Not really sure where I'm going with this.. :laugh: I just woke up.

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dnekm
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Posted: June 20 2005,2:20 am

"working as a group" - an interesting insight...

If we had not learned, long ago, to work as a group - we as a race would most likely not have survived. But - and I am sure many would disagree - I think we have passed the point of working as a group for the sole purpose of working as a group. It is no longer a viable survival trait, and actually works against us - the herd mentality, following orders, etc....

I find it difficult to break down humanity as a whole into various, well - little bits. This bit is xtian, this bit is islam, this bit are kkk'ers..... we are all people. Basically, I really feel that by breaking down humanity into little bits (tribes, cultures, etc...) what was once a survival mechanism - when the world was both small and large at the same time - has become a way of keeping us divided so petty concerns can have their way. People in power tend to want to stay in power.

So - maybe trying to find your own place within the universe could be considered as egocentric by some - because in doing so you may not always pay attention to the group boundaries. And it actually is kind of ego-centric in a way, but not in the way of I will only do what is the best for me and if I can fuck you over then so be it... But in the sense of I will find out what is best for me and then spend the rest of my life trying to adhere to it.

Self knowledge is a wonderful thing, but it is not always in the best interests of "society" - for the your place is not always in step with the, um.... place that society sets aside for you to fill. If that makes any sense.....

We now inhabit a planet that instead of being both small and large at the same time - is both large and small at the same time. That in itself turns everything upside down and inside out, but people have not quite caught up with that idea yet.

The concept of dualities is interesting. My take on this is that things are neither good nor evil - for observations such as those must stem from a third, middling and above all else neutral point of view. Otherwise there is no place to make those kind of judgements.

Kind of like (and I hate using this as an example) Crowley's 2=0. See, for me - 2 (or +1 and -1, as Crowley put it - exchange this for your favourite duality) = 0 (nothing, which is both nothing and everything at the same time) So - all of creation, everything that exists and even the bits that do not, all equal the same thing - consciousness stemming from nothing, existing within nothing, but encapsulating everything. The infinite enclosed within a point - yet nevertheless, infinite. Recursive, self referencing, but endless.....

A simple, energetic point. But once it is turned inwards upon itself and turned inside out as well - has boundless depths....

And once again I find that I have run out of words and the words that I do type appear as gibberish...  :laugh:

I hope you feel better...  :hippy:

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Posted: June 20 2005,2:25 am

One little footnote - just because I think that working as a group for the sake of working as a group is an outdated model, that is no reason for us not to cooperate with each other. I just think the whole lot of us vs. them models should be dispensed with. We all have a common goal upon this planet - to continue. This should be first and foremost instead of who said what about our "gawd" and how we will make them pay, the damn dog-eating infidels.....  :laugh:

I know I put a laugh after that but this still seems to me to be as far as humanity has gotten..... Which is actually quite sad.

But not as sad as what generally comes before that - which is, in essence - I want to grab as much as I can before I die and leave all of the bills to my descendants.....  :shake:

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Posted: June 23 2005,12:06 am

Humans MAY be a hybrid race....our closest relative, the chimpanze has 48 chromosomes...24 male and 24 female.  Humans have only 46 chromosomes...23 male and 23 female.
This is because the 2nd and 3rd chromosomes in female and male humans have fused together....making it possible in the past to mate with an unknown species that also had 46 chromosomes.... there MAY be no other explanation for the fusion save to make us sexually compatable with something else.

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Posted: June 23 2005,11:21 am

I think I'll pass; unless it's a certain Tuatha prince, or certain 'demigod' of the Greek Pantheon.  I probably shouldn't hold my breath, though.

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Posted: June 26 2005,4:21 pm

You misundertook what it was I was saying here, Morgan of Fomoria; nevertheless, your implication that we have been prepared for something that might happen in the future is also valid...............

What I was implying is that as the fusion of the second and third chromosomes took place in the past, that the mating with the "others" has already occurred, and that the result was the generation of the human race.

Edited by darkus markus on June 26 2005,4:22 pm

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Posted: June 26 2005,8:12 pm

Gotcha.

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Posted: June 26 2005,10:02 pm

Yippee!!! But like I said, Morgan, your original misinterpetation does have validity..... maybe we have only been genetically altered through evolution or by device for something that
HAS NOT yet taken place.... six of one, half a dozen of the other.... you got me thinking.

Edited by darkus markus on June 26 2005,10:02 pm

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Posted: June 29 2005,11:19 pm

Quote (dnekm @ June 20 2005,2:25 am)
But not as sad as what generally comes before that - which is, in essence - I want to grab as much as I can before I die and leave all of the bills to my descendants.....  :shake:

It does seem as though the general concensus has voted to "not give a crap about the future" doesn't it?
Future as in not so much financial security, but stability of mind and spirit which has somehow been superimposed on top of each other. Damn shame.
The recklessness that causes the bills to pile up along with the mound of material things left behind are a direct link to the reasoning behind the desire for those things to begin with.
Greed is a trait that humanity will never shake.  :shake:

Never is a strong word I know, but then is greed a descendant of evolution? Can we survive without at some point using greed? Is greed a necessary "evil"?
We all, at some point, have used these different evils to our advantage, if for nothing else, a learning experience..a lesson...a building block to truth, which can be quite painful.
Humanity sacrifices thousands, millions of people even to these evils, and the only comparison I can think of is like sperm swimming in to fertilize. One out of... how many actually makes it? I use this example simply because that is a life originator just like we are living now, so I can only assume similar properties.
What I would like to know is when will she hit menopause?  :laugh:
I hear it's quite the awakening.

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Posted: June 29 2005,11:44 pm

What I would like to know is when will she hit menopause?  :laugh:

I think it's in its early stages.

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