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Topic: The origins of the human race...., Your beliefs on this
Kkaospixie
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Posted: June 08 2005,10:15 am

Where we began..wow I've been mulling that one around for years. Part of me wants to believe that it is mostly scientific or at the very least a really good volatile combination of what happens when you mix logic with intuition and POOF like vinegar and baking soda..we became..   :eyemouth:
Then another part of me wants to believe that we were once much more evolved and were forced to regress due to all the stragglers refusing to evolve. That theory being that maybe we go backwards to move forwards...but that one I may have come up with after one too many  :smoke:   :laugh:

What I keep coming back to, and the theory that I am the most drawn to, is one that is very complicated to explain but is quite a simple concept. That being..vanity.
It is possible over time without conflict to erupt into vanity and a lack of appreciation for our surroundings. I do believe that at one time, as a universal consciousness..(don't ask me where that came from..I haven't taken it that far yet)..at some point there was some kind of rift that shook it to the core and it started an overhaul. In my mind's eye I imagined it being broken up and sent spiraling out in an arc, piece by piece, thus creating individual souls. These souls were meant to experience the cycle, to learn everything that they could, and above all to develop an appreciation of self before returning to the source, in an attempt to make it not perfect, but more perfect than before.
I have written quite a bit on this, actually and haven't talked about it in awhile. I appreciate the topic, Leilah.

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corpus delecti
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Posted: June 08 2005,5:02 pm

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Um..... so basically what you are saying is that is okay to be an asshole as long as you are the biggest one?  :laugh:

Okay - take no offense...  :eyemouth:

But if everyone in the world were to follow your example, then civilization would never have even started. For if we were constantly preying upon one another without any cooperation, what would we have? As it is now it is those who seem to think that climbing to the top of a heap of shit over the carcasses of others have brought us to where we are....

No, there is prey and there are predators, so not everyone is going to be a predator, and no it's not ok to be an asshole, I was just describing how I view society as a whole. And I take no offense to what you are saying/asking, because they are valid questions and points.

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dnekm
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Posted: June 09 2005,2:01 am

Kkaospixie - interesting imagery.  :eyemouth: Kind of like a spiritual big bang, maybe mirroring or complimentary to the "physical" one? I keep forming a vague picture of "shards of energy" in my mind while reading your description..... And in my mind, these shards could easily become physical things as well....  :hippy:

corpus - I do not want to take this off topic but a brief question - if we, as humans, are seperated into predator and prey - what happens when, I don't know, the prey turns round and becomes the predator? See, as humans we all shift with circumstances - and so there are no set or clear cut demarcations as to roles....

I am trying to keep this in general terms because I am not going to touch the whole "vampiric" thing.... :frankn:

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corpus delecti
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Posted: June 09 2005,12:43 pm

Quote (dnekm @ June 09 2005,2:01 am)
corpus - I do not want to take this off topic but a brief question - if we, as humans, are seperated into predator and prey - what happens when, I don't know, the prey turns round and becomes the predator? See, as humans we all shift with circumstances - and so there are no set or clear cut demarcations as to roles....

I am trying to keep this in general terms because I am not going to touch the whole "vampiric" thing.... :frankn:

you have a very good point.

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Kkaospixie
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Posted: June 13 2005,1:30 pm

Quote (dnekm @ June 09 2005,2:01 am)
Kkaospixie - interesting imagery.  :eyemouth: Kind of like a spiritual big bang, maybe mirroring or complimentary to the "physical" one? I keep forming a vague picture of "shards of energy" in my mind while reading your description..... And in my mind, these shards could easily become physical things as well....  :hippy:

Yes that is how I wanted it understood. Good.
I could and for the most part do, believe in a spiritual big bang, although I never even thought to word it that way.
:laugh:
Even the physics of that are entirely possible when you think about it.. energy and what it does and what it changes into when added to velocity and not as in just speed, I mean velocity of thought and desire which as we all know does seem to go much farther..lol
Where I get hung up is my inability to accept that something came from nothing. So, I go round and round with where we may have initally split and why because it had to be for a reason..IMO
Maybe that doesn't even matter..maybe it's just that we ought to see the need to return to have fulfilled the purpose??
It's a "controlled" big bang theory I suppose. it's just very difficult for me to think that we all did not come from the same place.. making no reference to "paths" here or a bunch of ancient divided tribes. Sure, energy is different and it does vary from person to person and from place to place but when you imagine the magnitude of the "beginning" and how many different directions we may have spun from..it must have created endless or nearly endless possibilities. However there are still similarities that cannot be denied throughout any energy source.
Wow...heh..it's a little early for this discussion. I'll have to come back and continue this when the moon comes out.

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Posted: June 14 2005,2:35 am

Hey Kkaospixie...  :hippy:

Maybe - think of nothing, the void, the vacuous expanse of empty space as... something?

An empty canvas still exists as a canvas - the potential of the painting is what is realized in creation....

Maybe the problem starts when we think of a "gawd" as the artist instead of ourselves.....

All energy is still energy - so everything that is, is ultimately not too dissimilar.... Emptiness can be an energy as well....

Maybe creation of the physical is not so much of a splitting of everything from nothing but just and extension of nothing into everything....

You know, I just typed that and had a clear thought in my head when I did but the words fall short.... Um... Nothing twisting itself through 360 degrees and turning itself inside out at the same time? So it can look at its own insides?

And now I shake my head at what I just typed....  :shake:

This topic is a bit of a mind fuck....

But if we are the artists then we are responsible for our own.... work. This is something that makes sense to me, and avoids the easy cop-out of god or the devil or senseless creation put me here and made me do it....  :laugh:

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Kkaospixie
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Posted: June 14 2005,1:23 pm

LOL yes you are right, this topic is more than a bit of a mindfuck..
But still fun.  :laugh:

I can see how it would be difficult to twist an idea inside out and then somehow type it still reading left to right. Ha!

And I more than agree with you when you refer to us being our own "artist" so to speak. I do believe that. As egocentric as that sounds I do believe that in some way I am my own maker inevitably and certainly the one who got myself where I am today. God seems to me like someone to blame things on when you don't feel like taking responsibility for the mess you've gotten yourself into AND the person who somehow gets all the credit when you don't feel deserving enough to receive it.

It's like a psychological split to help you cope with being alive.

So it's not so much that the nothing is nothing, the nothing IS something, this I know..even if that something is nothing.
Hmm

brain food.

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Posted: June 16 2005,3:08 am

Yeah - brain food and brain indigestion....  :laugh:

I've got to wait to come back to this when I am in the right frame of mind....  :hippy:

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Kkaospixie
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Posted: June 16 2005,1:45 pm

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Yeah - brain food and brain indigestion....  :laugh:

:laugh:

True.

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Posted: June 19 2005,2:38 am

Maybe "being your own artist" is not exactly egocentric.....

Bear with me here....  :laugh:

We tend to interpret the universe in which we find ourselves in reference to ourselves.....

It is almost as if we carry our own private univerese around with us inside our heads. But at the same time - this private universe is also a shared one.

For we have the ability to communicate with each other and thusly to share concepts, ideas, images - all of which provoke further reasonings, reaction and even feelings within ourselves....

One of the weirder offshoots in the whole area of self-consciousness is that is has engendered the search for the self.

Think about that statement for a while....

One of the offshoots of consciousness has been the search for consciousness..... Everything needs an observer....

As far as consciousness of our selves goes - it is/becomes recursive - we are, in a sense, chasing our own tails.

Who are we looking for? Ourselves. Who is doing the looking? Ourselves.....

I think that the same can be said of the universe. It is alive, it is sentient - and it is trying to discover itself by observing itself.

We are all necessary bits in the unfolding of that.

Each of our various perspectives is important to the whole picture, even though we squabble amongst ourselves about the importance of the various bits....

But even the squabbling can be important - as it's effects unfold....

But - all of this pre-supposes an inherent reason for everything that exists..... So, in effect - it is a biased argument. But one which I feel comfortable in making - due solely to personal experience.

The damning thing about all of this is that I cannot scientifically prove that "the lady" exists - I just know that she does. But sometimes - knowing without learning has to take precedence - it is called experience.

And this opens up a whole can of worms.... the same can of worms that religion crawled out of.

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