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Topic: Death in the News, version 2
russalka
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Posted: Aug. 27 2003,9:10 am

I'm sure you all have heard about the death of "father" John Geoghan, the priest who abused so many kids; he was strangled in prison.  Just another example of the catholic church abdicating its responsibilities to those it supposedly serves. That guy should have been yanked (ha-ha) from his position after the first offense, cloistered, and given lots of therapy. I don't know if pedophiles are made or born, but it is monstrous arrogance on the part of the church to simply transfer the guy to another posting while trying to intimidate the victims and their families into silence.
Wouldn't it be something if all of this bought the whole rotten edifice tumbling down! :pissedoff:  :shake:  :pissedoff:  :shake:  :cussing:

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Leilah
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Posted: Aug. 27 2003,10:12 am

If only that were to happen, Russalka....but they are so entrenched in their own world and protected by their vast wealth that I don't see it happening any time soon...but it SHOULD happen. That goes without saying. Any other enclave so deeply corrupt would have been disbanded a long time ago.

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HOLDEN
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Posted: Sep. 06 2003,2:42 pm

April 6 saw the passing of Babatunde Olatunji, an important pioneer in introducing Western audiences to non-western music. his landmark 1959 album of traditional Nigerian music, Drums of Passion, has remained in print lo these many years.
:rose:  here's a relevant page:

http://www.olatunjimusic.com

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Dellamorte
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Posted: Sep. 08 2003,2:33 am

And so many others have been murdered on such "gossip".... what proof do we have that he was truly guilty in the first place? So many people are in prison, and on Death Row, who are truly innocent. Guilty only by some second-parties' word-- what proof is this? I do not know how anyone can "celebrate" the death of someone, whether innocent or guilty-- especially a priest. I grow weary of the world population only making Catholics out to be guilty of such crimes. If all such men of the cloth should be put to death, where do I stand in line? I am not exactly "innocent" by any means.... and of course, I simply welcome Death with open arms, and true desire. As if some women are not as guilty as some men.....

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russalka
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Posted: Sep. 08 2003,8:06 pm

So sad to hear that Babatunde Olatunji is dead! I'll have to play "Chant to the Trainman" (my favorite) when I set up the October altar.
Hey, Dell, there's a lot more than gossip on that priest who was killed in prison; read "Papal Sins" if you want to get the specifics.  For YEARS he preyed on innocent children who were programmed to be obedient to people like him, and he was supported by an institution that KNEW what he was doing.  He should have been given therapy and been put in a situation where he did not have access to kids. I don't see how this is a blanket indictment of all men of the cloth, or Catholics.

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dnekm
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Posted: Sep. 09 2003,2:17 am

Why so sensitive about Catholics?

Sorry, but I think this was justified.....

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Dellamorte
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Posted: Sep. 10 2003,4:44 am

Why I am "sensitive" about Catholics-- born and raised one. I spent over 25 "hard" years in the Church... never met, nor even heard about a priest who went "bad". It amazes me how only the Catholic Church is guilty of anything.... like everyone else is just *so* innocent.....

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russalka
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Posted: Sep. 10 2003,6:13 pm

I agree that there is all sorts of abuse in many denominations; it's just the catholic church's turn to take the heat for its criminal activity. It IS criminal to sexually abuse kids, and it is criminal not to report it. That a religious organization participates in this kind of activity is unconscionable.(And by hiding it, they are participating in it) The church can't be responsible for the kind of guys who join the priesthood, (i.e., pedophilia may not be evident) but it IS their responsibility to remove pedophiles from situations where they have access to kids and to report them to the police.
I, too, was brought up a catholic, and have known some good, spiritual people, but when you come right down to it, what can you say about an institution that aids and abets criminals?

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Dellamorte
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Posted: Sep. 12 2003,9:48 pm

Both Johnny Cash and John Ritter (Jack Tripper from Three's Company) died today. Cash died from Diabeties complications, Ritter from his aorta rupturing.

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Posted: Sep. 16 2003,10:55 pm

Quote (russalka @ Sep. 10 2003,6:13 pm)
I agree that there is all sorts of abuse in many denominations; it's just the catholic church's turn to take the heat for its criminal activity. It IS criminal to sexually abuse kids, and it is criminal not to report it. That a religious organization participates in this kind of activity is unconscionable.(And by hiding it, they are participating in it) The church can't be responsible for the kind of guys who join the priesthood, (i.e., pedophilia may not be evident) but it IS their responsibility to remove pedophiles from situations where they have access to kids and to report them to the police.
I, too, was brought up a catholic, and have known some good, spiritual people, but when you come right down to it, what can you say about an institution that aids and abets criminals?

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but when you come right down to it, what can you say about an institution that aids and abets criminals?


I don't believe that the Catholic church intended to do these evil things.  The hierarchy of the institution is caught up in a horrible net of its own making.  Leilah is correct to point up the doctrinal rigidity and the wealth as factors in it, but there is also that horrible thing called denial.  Denial causes people and institutions alike to do all likes of horrible things or to facilitate horrible things.  It isn't the same as criminal intent, but every bit as bad in that it is facilitation.

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