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Topic: Capital Punishment, Justification to cause death?
daoine o
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Posted: June 13 2001,12:17 am

Thanks to everyone for their comments, and I'm glad I didn't get flamed for being too 'extreme' in my beliefs, but actually found some kindred spirits...

What many of you said is too true...the lack of taking responsibility, scapegoating, loss of the family structure, ridiculous 'reality TV' shows, even 'road rage'...all signs of the utter breakdown of a civilized society.  True, Sammy, 'an eye for an eye' may seem 'uncivilized', but nowadays, it's the only thing that's understood by those who show no respect for the law or remorse for their crime; for they don't see what they did as a crime.  

Again, to point out what someone else posted, there is a marked lack of serious crime (murder, robbery, rape) in many Middle-Eastern countries due to the *harsh* 'eye for an eye' consequences.  Rob someone/steal?  Get your hand cut off.  Rape someone?  Castration.   You can bet there aren't many there stupid enough to be repeat offenders.  

As an aside,  I think I've mentioned this before, I'm a gun owner, and I firmly believe an armed society is a more polite society, because that means that since the criminals aren't the only ones that are armed, and they won't know who is, they may think twice before perpetrating a crime against someone who may blow their freaking head off.  Let someone break into my house, they're leaving in a body bag.  (And since I live in Colorado, we have the 'Make My Day Law', and I can legally shoot someone who enters my property.  I don't think that's being uncivilized.  It's called 'Lex Talionis', and I *know* Sammy knows what that means.)  

Sad that things have come to that point, but "Can't we all just get along?" is the ultimate rhetorical question nowadays.

:asthanos:  <---  'aim for center of mass'

(Edited by daoine o' at 11:19 pm on June 12, 2001)

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stomachpump
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Posted: June 14 2001,9:43 pm

This is for the woman who stated that a child's life is worth less than an adult's.  You also stated that a cat's life is equal to an adult's.  How can you possibly hold both these beliefs?

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dnekm ailep
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Posted: June 14 2001,10:38 pm

Maybe she just doesn't like kids..... especially ones who kill cats.

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daoine o
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Posted: June 14 2001,11:05 pm

You nailed it Daniel, in a succinct way.  I don't like children, nor most people in general.  
And actually, I don't equate a cat's life to a human's.  The cat's (or any animal's) life is worth more.   I get very upset (and angry) when I see a squirrel or some other animal dead on the road, or hear of an animal dying in a fire or catastrophe or such, but I don't shed a tear when I hear of a child dying in some 'tragic' way.  Sometimes I even laugh.   (Recall the story discussed on the 'Death in the News' thread of the kid who jumped on a tombstone and it fell over on him and killed him?  Was *that* not poetic justice?)
  Suffice to say,  if I were driving and saw an animal and a person (child or adult) in the road, and could only swerve to miss one, I'd hit the person every time.  Just my opinion, of course, and we're all entitled to have them, and I don't demand that anyone agree.  (And I'll don my flameproof suit now, thank you, just the same.)  :flamingdevil:


:asthanos:  <---  misanthropic?  who, me?

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Samaelz
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Posted: June 15 2001,12:30 am

Could we talk about catatonic schizophrenic lunitics then? This rare type of illnesses that can't tell the differents between reality and fantasy in people who are often serial killers if not mass murderers.... This would  still be on topic correct? What do we do with people like this? This is the deepest plunge into no remorse after the killing sweet innocents animals or humans.

(Edited by Samaelz at 12:34 am on June 15, 2001)

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dnekm ailep
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Posted: June 15 2001,12:38 am

Sam, if someone is "catatonic", how in the hell could they kill someone?

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daoine o
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Posted: June 15 2001,12:49 am

Can you cite an example of someone afflicted with "catatonic (which implies 'in a coma-like state') schizophrenic lunacy"? ¬†(Is this a real affliction?  Where did that classification come from?)
Are we talking a Jeffrey Dahmer or a John Wayne Gacy-type?  Someone who has killed and has no remorse and would do it again because they see nothing wrong with it, or someone who has a good enough lawyer that they got let off on the 'not guilty by reason of insanity' shtick (which is *waaaay* overused, no?)  
Is what you're asking: What can be done with someone like that?   When they're never going to be 'rehabilitated', because they don't feel they've done anything wrong, and if they are ever released, it would just happen again...is that not what Jeffrey Dahmer said, that he knew he would kill again; he couldn't help it?
The answer seems simple to me.  Eliminate them.  Preferably in the same manner they 'eliminated' their victims.  But that's just bloodthirsty me talking.  :disturbed:

:asthanos:  <---  kill 'em all!

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stomachpump
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Posted: June 15 2001,7:05 am

The kids whose lives she said were worth less than adults were the ones who died in the McVeigh bombing.  This bothers me because while the adults had chosen to be government employees, their children died for no other reason than "wrong place/ wrong time".  The reason she said an adult life has more worth was due to it's complexity.  Certainly a child is a more complex creature than a cat!  Or do the rest of you feel differently?

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Posted: June 15 2001,8:35 am

The kids whose lives she said were worth less than adults were the ones who died in the McVeigh bombing.  This bothers me because while the adults had chosen to be government employees, their children died for no other reason than "wrong place/ wrong time".

Age doesn't determine whose brutal end is more important than another's. They're all the same. No innocent person *deserves* to be slain, and when they're gone, their years here are just a number...to US.
Either ALL of McVeigh's victims were in the wrong place at the wrong time, or NONE of  them were.

People are more upset when they see or hear of a child dying, simply because we're conditioned to believe it's not *supposed* to happen that way. They're so tiny & defenseless, and so innocent...HOWEVER, they are no longer such when Azrael takes them into his care. In death, we're all equal.

As far as the whole animal vs. human thing is concerned... ehhh... I dunno about that. I'm not the biggest animal fan in the world. Probably because we just have WAY too many in our house. And they're all psychotic to boot.....

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daoine o
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Posted: June 15 2001,2:41 pm

Stomachpump, I don't know why you feel the need to dissect and question my beliefs in such a fashion.  Not to mention misconstrue and incorrectly interpret my posts.  ..."The reason she said an adult life has more worth was due to it's complexity"  I never said anything of the sort.  As I've stated before, my beliefs and opinions are just that.  Mine.  Everyone is entitled to theirs, as well.  Everyone else on this board accepts all our differences and moves on to discuss our common bonds.  There seems to be a deeper issue you have with me, and if you really feel you want to engage me in a discussion on this, email me off the board.  We've never had a flame war on here before, but you seem bent on starting one.  Either back off with your accusations and insecurities with other people's beliefs, or take it off the board.

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