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Topic: Capital Punishment, Justification to cause death?
daoine o
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Posted: June 12 2001,4:11 am

Rev, as far as
"Hell no, I believe that this sho{u}ld all be discussed right here.... "

Maybe so, but this thread was not designed to be a "listen to daoine o' spew her misanthropic satanic vitriol to all and sundry", so I tried to keep it in check...and encourage replies 'in my vein'  off the board.  You started a very worthy thread, Reverend, and I'd hate to see it go OT.  And as to your proclamation of :smlove2: *blush*  it's good to know we *do* see eye-to-eye on some topics  :bigok:  as we do cross paths on others!  :argue:   But again, how dull things would be if we all thought the same!  :shake:

:asthanos:  <--- 'just trying to keep the conversation lively!'

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Samaelz
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Posted: June 12 2001,5:25 am

There is a more suitable way with dealing with rotten teenagers then burning their behind on fire and throwing them out on the highway at 60 miles per hour.

Doing that would only sink to their level of immature behavior. I suggest scaring the piss out of them and a week later supervised community service at an animal shelter with possitive reconstuctive enthusiasm towards smaller animals.

I believe in eliminating problems not continueing them. The eye for eye tooth for could just go on and on forever untell both you and your wrong doer or so proclamed enemy chop eachothers heads off. Or wait for another day and attack you when you lest expect it.

And thats what I believe your actions would create in these adolesent teens to adulthood. While my way of thinking offers a plan and a goal to create fondness for animals in them and you can go home without thinking about carring a sameri sword or a gun with you at all times and have nightmares that these kids are going to came back for revenge.

 Obviously we need to stress this in their minds that it is not funny thing to do strongly but without violence like barbarians or the do unto others as they have done unto you this only creates a never ending war. And we are beyond that and together we can use or minds logicaly and productivly to end this issue once and for all.

We are here to learn from our mistakes or someonelses not destroy eachother... Just because we are animals doesn't mean we should alow our thinking to be as primitive. We are the advanced creatures of the twilight and we have that responsiblity to improve not degenerate our superior brains...-|-S-|-

(Edited by Samaelz at 8:27 am on June 12, 2001)

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stomachpump
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Posted: June 12 2001,10:17 am

Getting back to McVeigh.....does anyone think that he would have gotten the death penalty if he killed just as many people in a privately-owned location?  I think the media is pushing the "sympathy for the victims" angle to cover-up the element of his crime that the feds probably consider more heinous: that it was a militant act of terrorism directed at the federal government.  And I can see where they're coming from.  It's obviously in their best interest to stop insurrection.  But let's not exploit the victims' families by insisting that this execution was done to benefit them.

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Leilah
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Posted: June 12 2001,11:28 am

I'm with Daoine and the Rev on this subject, and it DOES belong on this board just fine. There's too damn much lack of responsibility in the world to day, and it's just to damn easy to shift blame, or blame your actions on everything from your parents, to the devil himself. If you can't take responsibility for your own actions, then suffer the consequences and learn the HARD way how to be civil.

As for the kids who set the cat on fire. Slapping them on the wrist does nothing, as everyone knows these are the kinds of acts that grow serial killers. Nip them in the bud BEFORE they become that as harshly as possible.

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Sio
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Posted: June 12 2001,4:08 pm

Doing that would only sink to their level of immature behavior. I suggest scaring the piss out of them and a week later supervised community service at an animal shelter with possitive reconstuctive enthusiasm towards smaller animals.
This unfortunately no longer has an affect on today's youth. They obviously have no care for right, or wrong, and their parents are too busy being wusses to instill those values. Parents today won't even spank their kids... granted according to the equally wussy government, they no longer *can, which I think is pathetic. You better believe that if I EVER told my parents to "shut the f*ck up" (as I heard a little kid say in the store the other day) they would NOT have just shrugged and gone on their way... noooo sir... that would have warranted a great big smack across the face, or even "the hairbrush", my mother's tool of choice. Well deserved too....I feel that I am a better person than I would have been had my parents not used some forms of discipline.
Everyone wants a scapegoat these days, and no one wants responsibility. Not even for their own flesh & blood.... and that goes a few ways: Parent to child, child to parent, and child to world/life. It's a vicious cycle.

After years of not having a solid background of respect, it's doubtful that community service is going to make them see the light. Plus, Leilah is completely correct: anyone who is capable of killing even a small animal, and in such a brutal fashion, will likely grow up to do the same to their fellow humans.

As an aside... there was a shooting in a suburb of Chicago last week, at a McDonald's.... a woman was walking into the store, and was shot at close range 4 times. Apparently the shooter had been stalking her, and the day before, she had gone to the police..who told her they'd "look into it", but could do nothing until he committed some "sort" of crime against her. Well... now she's dead. How's that for some sort of crime? It was found the day after this shooting, that this man was a CONVICTED rapist, and was a suspect in ANOTHER murder, pending trial. See, this is what happens  when we believe there is a chance for hard core criminals to be "reformed". It doesn't happen. Not only this, but the fact that the cops completely ignored her, KNOWING that this was a dangerous criminal. He SHOULD have been in jail for his first crime... though, I personally think rapists should meet the same fate as those who murder.....



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Samaelz
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Posted: June 12 2001,5:30 pm

Well alow me to (butt) in again haha and offer you this problem that needs to be quickly solved... What do you do when your torments utterly fail and you relize your dealing with a powerful antagonistic masochist who laughs and spits in your face and askes for MORE! Your all weaklings and your mother dresses you funny! Come on you don't have the guts! Your all chicken bukbukbagaK! Oh please break another bone I beg you... huh? hahaha

Good come back Sio! However I think hitting your child over the head with a blunt object is a bit extreme. Maybe holding em dowm with a flashing temple shot with the side of ones hand is far good enough.

(Edited by Samaelz at 7:33 pm on June 12, 2001)

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Leilah
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Posted: June 12 2001,7:30 pm

Well, let's see how some guy enjoys having his "manhood" drawn and quartered...:asthanos:

I think they be pleading for death! Besides, victims families can be VERY CREATIVE.....

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Samaelz
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Posted: June 12 2001,7:39 pm

Believe it or not Lielah I meet some freak who could shove a metal tube down the hole of his pee pee and proceeded to demenstrate his tolerance for pain by shoving hyperdermic needles into the crown head of his shaft before me and five others at a party. Oh yeag I almosy forgot to mention after that he took a hammer and layed his balls up on a table and smashed them a few times realy hard BANG BANG! :shocked:

(Edited by Samaelz at 7:52 pm on June 12, 2001)

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Leilah
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Posted: June 12 2001,10:54 pm

Did you actually see this? And, if so, don't you think you may have been a LITTLE too "close" to your friends for this "experience".

In any event, I'm sure he wasn't a serial killer or the like, so it has no bearing here, now does it! Let's keep on topic, okay??

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Sio
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Posted: June 12 2001,11:46 pm

Good come back Sio! However I think hitting your child over the head with a blunt object is a bit extreme. Maybe holding em dowm with a flashing temple shot with the side of ones hand is far good enough.

Hmm, well it wasn't exactly a "comeback", but...eh.

I never mentioned hitting one's child with a blunt object. There's discipline, and there's abuse. They are NOT the same thing.

If one does something wrong, they SHOULD be punished for their error, and the punishment should fit the crime. There are way too many slaps on the wrist. If we are able to do something, knowing we can get away with it..what's stopping us?

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In general: (*rant warning*)
I found it amusing that with all the hype about "Reality TV", few people, with the exception of the victims families, said that they wanted to see McVeigh's execution televised.
I suppose it's ok to gawk at the "beautiful people" being tempted into screwing up their already superficial relationships, or 7 WAY too emotional people, who don't have jobs, being handed EVERYTHING, and calling it REAL. That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard of.
We are dummied down by this crap, and are sheltered from the true reality of life...which in turn, breeds the fear of death. Brutality is NOT death. It is part of the world we live in. We should KNOW things are wrong, and that there ARE repercussions both on Earth, and after...and that they should NOT be some little *tisk tisk, shame on you* type BS.
I only WISH there were still public executions! Those were  a family event, back in the day. "'Round up the kids, we're goin' to a hangin'!" Damn skippy. I wouldn't hesitate to allow my kids to view one. They certainly wouldn't be a Darwin award waiting to happen, if that were the case.
Alright...rant over.



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